Thank you for the feedback, I did not plan it, I just wanted to see what he did. Since the boxes are so fun for him to smack I thought I would try this route. He does back up on the one as the ball is in my pouch, many times when I play or ask behaviours I use the ball as a reward, a lot of times I just throw it for him, and he gets it. I wondered about throwing the ball away, I did that as a his reward, rather than throw it to him. He loves that ball! I had wonderful success with the moving down, by having him down and then throwing it directly to him, which he caught. So I wonder if he was hoping for me to just throw the ball to him.